MARS and Live Reports

In the release notice for Version 1.01.o (Build 9670) it mentions "Fixes to Live Reports module to support winlink and the Military Affiliate Radio System (MARS)" 

WHat ability does this give the MARS members?  Do we have the ability to send Live Updates via WInlink?

 

RUsty NNN0FJK/K1GGS

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Depiction & Winlink

Yes, our development team did some work with users locally and on the east coast to iron out using Depiction with Winlink2000 and Paclink. I've asked one of the main users to comment here.

In the process, some MARS shortcuts were included in our email parsing code.

Best,
George
Depiction Support

Use of Depiction with Winlink 2000

Rusty,

The short answer is yes.  The longer answer follows...

As originally fielded (and other than the APRS only add-on module offered) Depiction did not have a 'radio based' solution to process the needed emails for the Live Reports module so the user was stuck using a traditional ISP/email account combination.  Listening to the webinar on the product and recognizing and the capability of the Paclink software (that provides a HF/PACTOR, VHF/PACKET and Internet/TELNET interface capability to Winlink 2000 (WL2K)) to do the local ISP server job using 'localhost' with the global WL2K system) it became clear to me that it could be the radio based solution.  After a few emails and phone calls, and working with the Depiction folks and the Winlink Development Team (WDT), the solution was realized with a couple of software patches that are now part of the latest release. 

If you want to know what the two patches were about, I can share that with you but for this reply it suffices to say that it opened the door to using the Paclink/Winlink 2000 combination to be a 'no-additional-cost' solution to interface the power of the Depiction Live Reports capability to users that are in situations where they only have amateur or MARS WL2K based radio connectivity to send and receive 'Live Reports' using the 'Other Pop3 account' option via a WL2K account. 

As you know, the obvious advantage of the MARS WL2K system is the much wider range of WL2K HF frequencies that are available (and far less users) rather than the more limited and 'banded' freqs of the amateur system for 'getting through' difficult conditions. Due to the nature and volume of information that could be passed using the Live Reports module under actual conditions, I recommend setting up a separate WL2K account to process the Live Reports messages and not mix it in with your normal message traffic account.

73/Gary/K7GJT/NNN0KUL WA

 

 

Gary,

Could you go into a little more detail about setup and the patches?  Are you simply using Paclink to send info to an email address, or has Paclink been patched to be the end email box?

And let me take my concerns a little further.  I live in, and am EC for, a City of 65,000 more or less.  We have trained just under 1,000 CERT volunteers, who are divided up into 9 teams covering areas of roughly equal population.  Each team has a staging area, generally in a park with no physical communications facilities, but with an Incident Command team, including amateur radio for communication between teams and the City EOC.  And I should mention that we are located in the San Francisco Bay Area, as the crow flies about 15 miles from the Hayward fault, 40 miles from the San Andreas fault, and on top of the Calaveras-Concord fault system.  Much of the City (and the Bay Area) is built on what was once river bottom and sea bottom soil.  Beside that, we are located partly on hilly terrain about 12 miles from where the Oakland firestorm occurred.

I operate an AFMARS Paclink station, and regularly use HF Pactor.  Both of these systems have significant latency in establishing telnet communications with the CMS system.  It is difficult for me to see that it is practical for just my 9 CERT teams and the EOC to be accessing a common email address for live reports through Paclink every 30-60 seconds without causing significant congestion to the CMS servers, especially if whatever happens is wide spread, and as many people as I are as enthusiastic about employing Depiction as a linked management tool to avoid trying to do everything by voice messaging.  The same thing is true in spades if the linking process is via APRS, because the APRS radio server in the area which is a high level Wide2-2 hop relay is already constantly busy with relaying traffic from around the Bay Area.

What I think is needed to avoid the congestion problem is Paclink-like software that provides smtp and pop3 services over AX-25 radio and LAN, without using the internet to relay to some other email point.  That way I can set up a server that covers my City alone (or maybe help out the adjacent cities . . . ) on a discrete simplex frequency which does not cause what will inevitably be massive congestion in other services in the event of a widespread emergent event.  That way I don't have to worry about the email address becoming inaccessible because Yahoo's servers are down or AT&T's buildings are damaged and the congestion on the Internet starts to look like an LA freeway at 4:30 PM.

Thanks for listening to my rant.  I really believe that what you have done is the "better mousetrap", and because of that word of it is going to spread like wildfire.  I fear for the possibility of claiming what it can do without foreseeing the unintended consequence of it being so successful that it overwhelms the communications facilities upon which it relies.

Harry Styron, K6HS, AFA9HS (AFF9DM AFMARS Region IX Digital Manager) Walnut Creek, CA EC, Contra Costa County,CA RACES Logistics Chief; 925-932-4300)

 

 

 

Depiction w/o (Big) Internet Access

 Gary -

Take a look at JNOS2 at Maiko's website: www.langelaar.net/projects/JNOS2.  There is a helpful Primer here:  http://www.nyc-arecs.org/JNOS_Primer.pdf

Maiko has done most of the heavy lifting; he has added PACTOR support and Telnet/Winlink 2000 access to JNOS!  JNOS is still very capable of standing alone without Internet infrastructure, yet he has enabled it to transfer messages with Winlink 2000 (MINUS B2F forwarding for binary attachments, but still pretty useful).  Last time I looked, he was working on B2F compatibility.  And JNOS supports some of the older PACTOR TNCs, like the DXP38, KAM and PK-232 as well as the SCS PTC-II. 

73s,

john

PS I'm in the process of installing it in my Mobile Communications Unit at the moment as a gateway from the on-board Winlink 2000 software (RMS and PACLINK) to "legacy" amateur radio networks in the eventuality that I get requested to journey into an area where JNOS, etc. are still in use.  My webpage needs an update badly (too busy building to take pictures), but you can get an idea of what I'm up to by following this link: www.armymars.net/ArmyMARS/MCU/index.html

And yes, I have three licenses for Depiction on-board; one for the System Operator, one for the Planner and one in the State/Local Government radio position.  There are a total of 4 radio positions, I'm hoping to buy three additional licenses next year to get everyone in the vehicle "on-line".

John K Scoggin, Jr. W3JKS/AAT3BF/AAM3EDE/AAA9SL
 

From the Horse's mouth

The 'Horse' being the customer (Gary) in this case. Thanks for taking the time to explain, Gary. We worked with Gary on making Live reports work with Winlink.

Bharath Modayur, Ph.D.
CTO
Depiction Inc.